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Published on November 29, 2017 By Uvah In Community

I'm sorry, but sometimes I just gotta get things off my chest. So I'm gonna rant.

Ever since this todo with Weinstein or whatever his name is, all those allegations of improper behavior has IMO spiraled out of control. I got the new charger for my laptop and opening Chrome with Bing as my new search engine, I saw that Matt Lauer got fired from NBC for the same reason. What the hell does that say for our culture? Two dudes in Thailand bared their butts in front of a Holy Site and were promptly arrested by Thailand police. Now they want US help to get them out of it. (Since then I saw another article saying they were only fined). Such disrespect was unheard of when I was growing up. 

In Brooklyn during the late fifties and sixties my neighborhood was as diverse as it gets. Jewish, Latino, Italian, African Americans. It ran the gamut. I had an uncle whose name was Walter. Not my real uncle but my dad's best friend. He was an African American and I looked up to him. Point being there was respect across the board. We didn't make exceptions. It didn't matter who you were or where you came from or what faith you followed, you were just another person. 

This world has gone to shit and I hate like hell to imagine what our children will inherit. Rant over.  


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on Nov 29, 2017

The human race has always been the same,

you have to live to 40 to notice that your fantasy wore off.

Fake it till you make it.

Boys will be boys and girls will take both cars and the house.

 

on Nov 29, 2017

You are at a night club with a band and a woman buys you a drink

and asks you to dance. You dance with her. After the set see asks

if you want to go out back for some fresh air. You say yes because

it is loud and you want to talk to her. When you get out back

there is no one there and she takes her shirt off with nothing

underneath and says she's married.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

You are at a night club dancing and a woman you don't know

comes over and shoves a dollar down your pants.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

You are at a night club with a band and a couple walk in.

Some how you end up talking to the guy about football.

They leave and 45 minutes later she comes back alone

and picks you up and takes you back to your place.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

Your room mates girl friend stops by unannounced looking

for him. You let her in so she can wait a while and see if he shows up.

Once in side she comes over and pulls your pants down and 

your mind is blown.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

You are at a gas station and a woman you don't know comes over and starts

talking to you. You say no and walk to your car and try to escape.

As you wait to pull into traffic she followed you on foot though

a parking lot and is standing behind your car smoking a cigarette.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

If you don't believe this you are in denial and should see a psychiatrist.

on Nov 29, 2017


You are at a gas station and ..... and is standing behind your car smoking a cigarette.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

Smoking within the vicinity of a gas [petrol] station IS 'inappropriate' behaviour .... it's also dangerous...

on Nov 29, 2017

There is a culture of inappropriate sexual behaviour in the TV and movie industries across the world, among other places.  Powerful figures use their positions to treat newcomers and those below them disgracefully, and it has gone on for far too long because there has been in place a code of silence among colleagues.... and threats to those who were harmed by this nasty culture.

Several Australian TV stars have been called out just recently, possibly in response to the Weinstein thing, but it has been going on for the last 50 years or more because of the code of silence and the threats to young, impressionable up-and-comers.  Nobody was game or willing to talk openly about it.... hence it continues.

Hopefully these exposes will help bring an end to it all and see the perps doing some time in prison

on Nov 29, 2017

So women don't turn the tables and use sex to get to places of power?

And if they do they definitely won't go to prison?

 

on Nov 29, 2017


You are at a night club with a band and a woman buys you a drink

and asks you to dance. You dance with her. After the set see asks

if you want to go out back for some fresh air. You say yes because

it is loud and you want to talk to her. When you get out back

there is no one there and she takes her shirt off with nothing

underneath and says she's married.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

You are at a night club dancing and a woman you don't know

comes over and shoves a dollar down your pants.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

You are at a night club with a band and a couple walk in.

Some how you end up talking to the guy about football.

They leave and 45 minutes later she comes back alone

and picks you up and takes you back to your place.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

Your room mates girl friend stops by unannounced looking

for him. You let her in so she can wait a while and see if he shows up.

Once in side she comes over and pulls your pants down and 

your mind is blown.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

You are at a gas station and a woman you don't know comes over and starts

talking to you. You say no and walk to your car and try to escape.

As you wait to pull into traffic she followed you on foot though

a parking lot and is standing behind your car smoking a cigarette.

Is that inappropriate behavior?

 

If you don't believe this you are in denial and should see a psychiatrist.

 

Yes, every one of those is inappropriate behavior. All of them.

on Nov 30, 2017

All of this nonsense had an origin point, not saying what that origin is for obvious reasons. Being that there are two sides to every coin will a female CEO or an equivalent be immediately fired or censured because of allegations made by a male employee? Somehow I don't see that happening. Welcome to our slow descent into hell. So sign up boys and girls, the tickets are one way only. Sorry but all this has touched a nerve.  

on Nov 30, 2017

So women don't turn the tables and use sex to get to places of power? And if they do they definitely won't go to prison?

Of course they do, and no they won't.

Our society is being arrogant (people act as if they themselves would/could do no wrong) and hypocritical (everyone knows how the system works but they pretend to be shocked and surprised).  Wrong or right, this games between men and women are nothing new: men use power to get sex, women use sex to get power.

It has *always* been like this.

If you think about it, BOTH behaviors are equally wrong (although that is how the world turns): it takes two to tango, and without women willing to play the game, there would be no game to play. For every woman that said no, there were many more who willingly exchanged sex for a shot at stardom - and in doing so they made sure the system perpetuated itself and other women would have to face the same choice. These women are as guilty as the men that seduced them with promises, yet they are seen as victims and the men as predators. I say they are BOTH equally guilty, both predators but with different motivations: men wanted sex, women wanted fame. Both were wiling to sacrifice their integrity to get something they wanted, and both made a conscious choice to do so.

I'm not defending these behaviors, I'm just saying you cannot (should not) condemn one without condemning the other. You cannot say yes, then change your mind *after the fact* and accuse the other person of rape. That is NOT how it works, you have to be accountable for your own (bad) choices.

on Nov 30, 2017

This world has gone to shit

Uvah, I have to constantly remind myself of something to maintain what's left of my sanity.  The news takes the behavior of a very small percentage of people and puts it under a microscope until it seem really, really, big.  That's not to say there aren't real issues, but perspective is a good thing.

on Nov 30, 2017

Beyond the sex thing, I'd say killing people in churches, schools and randomly by the dozens falls into "innaproprate" behaviour as well.

on Nov 30, 2017

I understand that some things can be blown out of proportion but to what end. Society has devolved over the years when its really supposed to be going the other way. Since when do we run backwards. 

on Nov 30, 2017


So women don't turn the tables and use sex to get to places of power?

And if they do they definitely won't go to prison?

 

Of course they do, and it is no more right than men in positions of power using women for sex.

As for going to prison, probably not, but in my opinion, anyone who uses a position of power, etc, to get what essentially is non-consensual sex, is a predator and a rapist, and therefore, male or female, should do time in prison.  Let there be no distinction, both male AND female offenders should do time.

JcRabbit

These women are as guilty as the men that seduced them with promises, yet they are seen as victims and the men as predators. I say they are BOTH equally guilty, both predators but with different motivations: men wanted sex, women wanted fame. Both were wiling to sacrifice their integrity to get something they wanted, and both made a conscious choice to do so.

Yes AND NO, JC, not all cases are cut and dry.  I knew of a young woman whose friends encouraged her to be interviewed by a TV producer for a position on a [I shall not name] network's journalism team, and what happened to her was horrendous.  She was a Christian girl, a virgin [waiting until marriage] and somewhat a shrinking violet, and as much as she resisted his advances and promises of fame, she was no match and the man took advantage because he was bigger and stronger. 

The eventual outcome was him serving 15 years for rape and aggravated assault, but that will never restore her dignity or trust.  Last I heard she was working as a journalist on a different network, so she has been able to move on career-wise, but she never should have been subjected to that kind of thing to begin with.

Wizard1956

Beyond the sex thing, I'd say killing people in churches, schools and randomly by the dozens falls into "innaproprate" behaviour as well.

Now this is extremely inappropriate behaviour and it horrifies me beyond explanation.  So without going into a gun control debate, we don't need that again, some members of society should never have firearms, particularly those with unstable mental health issues and persons with a history of violence.... including domestic violence.  A recent study showed that persons with a past of domestic violence were more likely to go on shooting sprees than other criminal types.

Sadly, there are no simple fixes to any of these problems, but maybe broad-based education programs would help in decreasing these crimes.

on Dec 01, 2017

starkers
Yes AND NO, JC, not all cases are cut and dry.  I knew of a young woman whose friends encouraged her to be interviewed by a TV producer for a position on a [I shall not name] network's journalism team, and what happened to her was horrendous.  She was a Christian girl, a virgin [waiting until marriage] and somewhat a shrinking violet, and as much as she resisted his advances and promises of fame, she was no match and the man took advantage because he was bigger and stronger.

That IS rape, pure and simple, and not at all what I was talking about (which is why he got those more-than-deserved 15 years in prison).

on Dec 01, 2017

JcRabbit

That IS rape, pure and simple, and not at all what I was talking about (which is why he got those more-than-deserved 15 years in prison).

Thing is, some of the women who are complaining about Weinstein and other powerful TV/movies moguls were very much in similar situations, where no for an answer was unacceptable.  I have no doubt there are a number of vixens who audition with views of offering themselves for parts.... and frankly, they have NO complaints because they asked for what they got.  Sadly, however, it is these women who aid to perpetuate the culture that can often capture quite innocent women whose intentions are purely to find work in the entertainment industries.... without having to give of themselves in ways they'd rather not.

Sadly, there are too many powerful people only too willing to take advantage of those they see as far below them .... and here in Australia we have several parliament buildings full of them types.

on Dec 01, 2017

Sadly its a mindset perpetuated by many years of men believing themselves superior and women accepting it as a matter of course. And JC is right to assign blame to both parties. Throughout history women have used their 'charms' to get what they want and men took advantage of it. Cleopatra did it when she seduced both Julius Caesar and Marc Antony to become queen of Egypt. So today if a woman walks into a place looking for a job and the boss says do this to get it she has a choice. Either she complies and maybe gets the job or she balls up a fist and flattens him then moves on. I'd like to think the shoe is on the other foot now and the so called weaker sex is finally stepping up and saying enough is enough. 

BTW: One of the fastest production cars in the world was designed by a woman. Its sleek, sexy and will blow your doors off. Point being equality is a hard thing to come by and sometimes the journey can be costly. History will always repeat itself because nobody learns from mistakes made. The present state of the world is a clear example of that.   

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